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Which got me to thinking about how Christians are treated in "mainstream" entertainment, and how Jim Butcher's Dresden Files series is a refreshing breath of fresh air.

For years, it was a given: Introduce a Character of Faith, and that character would soon be shown to be crazy, evil, stupid, bigoted, hypocritical, or all of the above. Stephen King, you're brilliant in other ways, but I'm looking at you. Any cop show where a priest or pastor was involved in a plot at all, yep, he did it. It got old. It got very very old very very fast. They were never just normal people, or God forbid, the actual hero of the piece. They were set up to be knocked down, and Hollyweird seemed to like it that way. Oh, sure, there were a few exceptions (Father Dowling, I suppose, and Touched by an Angel; and I adore Father Mulcahey on MASH), but those seemed more like bones tossed to appease the frothing masses than anything else.

Science fiction was no less guilty. Possibly more guilty. Christians were either villains or buffoons, and there was very little in-between there. That's if faith was even a Thing in the far-flung future where humans were now More Educated Than That and the idea of God was a Quaint Throwback to More Primitive Times. In fantasy, you have your Burn The Witch villains, again, if faith in the God of the Bible is even mentioned at all. I stopped reading SF/F for a long time because of this.

And then the lovely and effulgent [livejournal.com profile] appomattoxco introduced me to the Dresden Files. It was the first time I'd dipped my toe back into written fantasy in awhile, although I was an avid watcher of Buffy and Angel by then. I side-eyed real hard when Michael Carpenter was introduced, waiting for the inevitable Gotcha Moment.

It never came.

And for that, I will always be fiercely, fiercely grateful to Jim Butcher. I was at a panel on Faith in Fiction at this year's WorldCon, and brought Michael up, and one of the panelists (I don't remember who) actually looked dismissive and practically offended. Apparently Michael's faith is too... simple, or something. And I realize that the sort of simple rock-solid faith that says "God said it, I believe it, that settles it" gives a lot of people an uncomfortableness, because they're not that certain of anything and how dare you be (or something), but for some of us, faith really is that simple and it's not a stretch for it to be that simple for a fictional character.

I mean, do we struggle with it? Of course we do. But the Dresden Files is first person from Harry's viewpoint, so we see Michael through the lens of Harry's eyes. I'm pretty sure Michael keeps any struggles with his faith under wraps where Harry doesn't see it; I know that I'm pretty private about those kinds of things myownself. And even Michael had his own Moment of Darkness when he nearly, in a cold rage, killed the dude who kidnapped his daughter.

And I'm probably rambling by now, as I tend to do. I think my point is that Jim Butcher opened up a door with Michael--where an overtly Christian character could actually be, if not the hero, at least a hero, and it's given me, myself, more confidence to write Christian characters who are also heroes, and to write angelic and demonic characters that are at least nominally Biblical.

So maybe this is, in a way, a love letter to Jim Butcher and Michael Carpenter, and, to a lesser extent, Uriel. Thank you, Mr. Butcher, and I look forward to seeing you at MisCon where I can possibly pick your brain.

Date: 2012-11-08 07:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roseaponi.livejournal.com
You have just named some of my top issues with mainstream fiction. I may pick up Butcher's series now, assuming I can find the beginning :)

Date: 2012-11-08 08:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agilebrit.livejournal.com
You can get "Storm Front" at ABE for under five bucks. Or check a local used bookstore. Michael didn't actually show up until book three, "Grave Peril." The series is brilliant, though.

Date: 2012-11-08 09:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dragonflymuse.livejournal.com
Thanks to your post I went and pre-ordered 'Cold Days' as well! It has been a loooooong wait between novels!

Date: 2012-11-08 09:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agilebrit.livejournal.com
YES IT HAS.

You know Jim's posting a chapter a week on his website leading up to the release, right? And it's awesome. *bounces*

Date: 2012-11-08 10:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dragonflymuse.livejournal.com
No, I did NOT know that!!! But it would kill me, as I would want more! Plus I won't get it until December b/c I bundled it with another pre-order. ANTICIPATION will keep me going!

Date: 2012-11-08 10:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agilebrit.livejournal.com
I said the other day that when I grow up, I want to be an unholy amalgam of Jim Butcher and Rob Thurman. Apparently her new Cal book is coming out in March. *squeegasm*

I'm probably getting delivery myself in early December, anyway, because Amazon doesn't ship early to make sure you get it on the day it comes out when you pick supersaver shipping. More's the pity.

Date: 2012-11-08 11:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fenchurche.livejournal.com
I know exactly what you mean, because I did the same thing when Michael showed up... And I also absolutely love Charity and how she's been portrayed.

Talking about Christianity in SF makes me think of Babylon 5... a show by an avowed atheist who still managed to handle matters of faith and religion in what was probably the most respectful way I've ever seen on television. "Passing Through Gethsemane" remains one of my favorite episodes of any TV show ever. It was well-written and well acted... but even more than that, it made me think. Posed some philosophical questions about faith that were insightful rather than mocking. It's a beautiful episode.

Date: 2012-11-09 12:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agilebrit.livejournal.com
Charity is AWESOME.

People keep telling me about B5, and I tried to give it a shot, but apparently S1 is, like, the worst introduction ever, so I shouldn't start there or something. If I can find it on the cheap maybe I'll try it again.

Date: 2012-11-09 01:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fenchurche.livejournal.com
I couldn't get into it when Season 1 first aired, either (and the pilot was almost off-putting, although in retrospect, I quite like it now), and ended up getting hooked in Season 2 and then going back to watch the first season later. So I might even recommend doing that... starting with Season 2 and then catching up on Season 1 once you decide whether or not you like the show, because JMS is the king of foreshadowing and there's often little tidbits thrown in here and there (sometimes very much in the background) that have greater significance later. I must admit that I've never seen all of Season 5... unfortunately, they thought they were getting canceled at the end of Season 4, so JMS wrapped up the five season story arc rather quickly (and yeah, the end of S4 suffers a bit for it, too) and had to come up with more story for the last season. And, well, I didn't care about that story as much. Really need to finish the series off one of these days!

Date: 2012-11-09 01:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] foxfire74.livejournal.com
Bab5 is on Netflix, and you can get a perfectly serviceable Netflix subscription for $8 a month. I do highly, highly recommend it, but all you need for Season 1 is to read the recap so you have a vague idea of who's who, what's what, and occasionally who's what. Skip Season 1 and season 5, enjoy the middle three. :)

And yeah, as a Christian and a mother, I love Charity SO SO MUCH. I love all the Carpenters, in fact, and I adore the fact that Michael didn't go all stereotypical sitcom dad when Molly went punk and magical.

Date: 2012-11-09 05:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agilebrit.livejournal.com
Actually, IIRC, my library has B5, and it's free! Yes, we're too damn cheap to get a Netflix subscription. Looking at our movie habits, if we don't see it in the theater, we redbox it, and that happens maybe... twice a month? Honestly, were I inclined to get some kind of subscription, I'd probably do Amazon's, because free shipping.

So maybe we'll make that... summer viewing, or something.

Charity rocks. I'd like to see a story from her POV, honestly.

Date: 2012-11-09 03:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flynn-boyant.livejournal.com
One of the beautiful things about Harry and Michael's friendship is that, although they are two people with very different world-views, they always have such respect and love for each other. Heck, we don't just need more of that in fiction we need more of that attitude in the world!

Now comes the hard part- waiting for the book release! So close yet still so far away!

Date: 2012-11-09 05:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agilebrit.livejournal.com
IT'S BEEN SO LONG OMG. But there's a light at the end of the tunnel--less than a month. I am so looking forward to this. I've read the first two chapters on his website and Eeeeeeeeeeeee.

I love all Harry's relationships. I hope we get to see more Thomas in this one.

Date: 2012-11-10 04:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] texanfan.livejournal.com
Another SF show that treats religion as something other than a throwaway is Star Trek: Deep Space 9. It's not Christianity by a long shot but issues of faith are handled with some respect. There's the whole people of faith viewing something through those eyes and others (Federation) claiming science. The amazing thing is that the people who don't believe are gradually forced to view the world differently than they are comfortable with. I think this may be one of the reasons this is the least regarded of any of the Treks. It probably made the usual fans uncomfortable.

Date: 2012-11-11 08:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] litlover12.livejournal.com
I did not know that about Jim Butcher. Very cool.

Date: 2012-11-11 08:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agilebrit.livejournal.com
It is totally cool. And the lovely thing about Butcher is that he actually seems to be conscious of the stereotype of "evil Christian character" and deliberately set out to subvert it.

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